Talk:Alexander Kerensky

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Check http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2003/hc40.htm. Kerensky spent time in Australia before moving to California. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.79.169 (talk) 02:38, 16 December 2003 (UTC)[reply]

"Russian incumbents" is really vague. Change it to what it's supposed to mean. --Jia ng 04:24, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I removed the bit about Battletech, which really doesn't belong here. He may have been mentioned in a comic book or two as well, but that wouldn't merit a mention in this article, either.

Please remove the bit about White generals trying to "restore monarchy." This is quite untrue and they planned nothing of the sort. ouital77 04:43, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

some of them did, though. not all but some. that's one of the reasons the whites failed, some wanted a return to something like the provisional government, some wanted a return to the monarchy, etc.

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Somehow this article seems to be slightly biased towards Kerenski's regime. It kind of makes lenin look evil and stuff like that, and I know its probably true it just needs to be changed slightly.--Aun'va 07:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted the line "Kerensky was also described as having 'the heart of a lion and the brains of a sheep'". This line was in reference to Lavr Kornilov (citation: 'Young Stalin' by Simon Sebag Montefiore, p. 347) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.79.194.165 (talk) 10:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation of Керенский

We say that the stress is on the first syllable - Ке́ренский. I've never heard him called that. It's always been Кере́нский, and that includes my very well informed teachers of the Russian language and Russian history. Is there an authoritative version? -- JackofOz 03:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Probably his name was pronounced Кере́нский but now the majority of Russians pronounce it Ке́ренский as the former is somewhat counter-natural for present-day Russian language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dojarca (talk • contribs) 15:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain that? Are you referring to the Moscow manner of speaking, the St Petersburg, or some other? My teachers were all native-born Russians and I never heard them say the name that way. -- JackofOz 04:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I refer to Moscow pronounciation. Yes, probably some very conservative teachers with special education in Russian language and literature can pronounce it Кере́нский but they also pronounce many words very differently from average Russian. For example they say творо́г instead of тво́рог and кофе in their laguage has musculine gender while most speakers of Russian would consider it neuter. I would consider it old style language. --Dojarca 15:38, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, большое спасибо. -- JackofOz 05:05, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a matter of fact, творог can be pronounced both ways, as documented by most dictionaries. Кофе is always masculine. As for Kerensky, there aren't any norms in regards to the stressed syllable. It is argued that Ке́ренский is the Russian, whereas Кере́нский is the Polish pronunciation of the surname. The overwhelming majority of historians at MSU and MGIMO, as well as in various history programmes, use the "Russian" version. --Humanophage (talk) 22:16, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think Kerensky himself can settle this. A foot note on pg 4 of (Kerensky, Aleksandr Fyodorovich. Russia and History's Turning Point. New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce, 1965.) states "Our name and that of the town were derived from the river Kerenka. The stress is on the first syllable (Kèrensky), not on the second, as my name is commonly mis-pronounced by Russians and foreigners alike." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zagahock (talk • contribs) 18:50, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That does indeed settle the matter. There's no gainsaying how a subject pronounced his own name. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 12:14, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(From out of the blue) His name is spelled "Kerenskij" in several other languages. Boeing720 (talk) 01:43, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Village Idiot?

"... was elected village idiot of the Petrograd Soviet"

Huh? Что это означает?

Sca (talk) 19:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Date of Nell's death?

The article states she died in February 1946. I see in Nina Berberova's memoir "The Italics are mine" (p.309) she gives the date as April 1946. Is there a reliable source for the date? Stumps (talk) 23:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see Australian Dictionary of Biography says she suffered a stroke in February and died 10 April. I'll amend the article. Stumps (talk) 23:34, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Union for the Liberation of Russia

There are only 5 references to such a group on Google. Three are mirrors of this page, one is a reference on a Ukrainian studies mailing list that says such a group was fictitious, and another was a minor participant in some events in Russia in 1918 that has no apparent connection to any post-World War II activities of Kerensky as alleged on this page. I have deleted the following passage from the article:

"After the war he organized a group called the Union for the Liberation of Russia, but this achieved little support.^{[citation needed]}"

as I believe that it was made-up and thus no citation will ever be forthcoming. RockinRobbin (talk) 19:15, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Early Life and Activism

This section of his biography states that he "was born Aron Kurbis, from a mixed background. His mother, named Adler, was from Austria. His biological father was a russian Jew..." Kerensky makes no mention of this in any of his books, and his lone English Language Biography (Abraham, Richard. Alexander Kerensky: The First Love of the Revolution. New York: Columbia University Press, 1987.) states that he was the forth child born to Fyodor Keresnky and his mother (pg 4). Can we get a source for the claim otherwise? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zagahock (talk • contribs) 18:50, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

•The English text contradicts the Russian Wikipedia version of Kerensky's biography, which lists his father as Fyodor Kerensky and shows that his mother was not from Austria. There is a Russian family tree for the Kerensky family on the Internet, quoting the Russian State Historical Archives and giving Fyodor Kerensky as his father. The family tree also has the backgrounds of his grandparents, both maternal and paternal. His mother's father is said to have been a former Russian serf who bought his own freedom in the 19th century and became a wealthy merchant in Moscow. Wouldn't it be wise to mark this bit of the biography at least with "citation needed"? ^[1] Limitless thoughts (talk) 23:30, 23 May 2009 (UTC).[reply]

-new- in the first par it says lenin replaced him after being elected by the all Russian congress... Well he lost thatelection and other threw thegov

The statement "Kerensky served as the second Prime Minister of the Russian Provisional Government until Vladimir Lenin was elected by the All-Russian Congress of Soviets following the October Revolution." is clearly not true. There was no legal transfer of power, no "elections" that ever validated Lenin. Lenin himself made this very clear. The statement should read, "Kerensky served as the Prime Minister of the Russian Provisional Government until the Bolshevik-led Congress of Soviets seized power from from the Provisional Government." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.116.173.29 (talk) 18:44, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know this history well, but it seems that the sentence "Kerensky joined the Narodnik movement and worked as a legal counsel to victims of the Revolution of 1905." should be moved to the end of the paragraph, after the two sentences about events of 1904. There is no apparent reason for varying from a chronological sequence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdelwiche (talk • contribs) 19:41, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://his95.narod.ru/person/ker.htm

National Press Club

One photograph shows Kerensky speaking to the "National Press Club" but fails to disambiguate which National Press Club it is. Please disambiguate. Rammer (talk) 05:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have disambiguated the photograph.69.225.89.110 (talk) 01:36, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tetas?

A paragraph begins "After the first tetas over Pavel Milyukov's secret note re-committing Russia to its original war aims ..." Since I don't understand what this means, other English-speaking non-historians won't either, so perhaps the word could be explained or replaced. Thanks. —— Shakescene (talk) 20:02, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Simbirsk or Ulyanovsk today?

My sources differ on whether or when Ulyanovsk (the name Simbirsk took in 1924) has reverted to Simbirsk. Wikipedia says no (redirecting Simbirsk to Ulyanovsk), as do several external sources, but other sources say yes, some time in the 1990's (after the dissolution of the USSR). What do her inhabitants call the city (not the region) today? —— Shakescene (talk) 04:19, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Who's who?

The beginning of "Early life" now reads:

Alexander Kerensky was born in Simbirsk (now Ulyanovsk) on the Volga River into the family of a secondary school principal (headmaster). His father, Fyodor Kerensky, was a teacher. His mother, Nadezhda Adler, was the daughter of a nobleman, Alexander Adler, head of the Topographical Bureau of the Kazan Military District. Her mother, Nadezhda Kalmykova, was the daughter of a former serf who had bought his freedom before serfdom was abolished in 1861, allowing him to become a wealthy Moscow merchant.

One of these people (at least) is a paternal or maternal grandparent of Alexander Kerensky, but who's mother or father to whom? Would I be correct in concluding that Nadezhda Adler is the daughter of Nadezhda Kalmykova? And thus that the line is

ex-serf (Mr. Kalmykov?) → Nadezhda Kalmykova m. Alex. Adler → Nadezhda Adler m. Fyodor Kerensky → Alex. Kerensky?

(I don't read Russian, so the cited source wouldn't help.) —— Shakescene (talk) 07:17, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Last surviving head of state from WW1?

At the time of his death in 1970, was Kerensky the last remaining former-head of state from WW1? Or at least was he the last person to have led one of the major powers during the First World War? If so, is this worth noting?

I guess he was (not sure). There were only nine major powers (if you include Japan) and a few minutes of checking would settle the matter, this would be simple counting of heads and would not require a reliable source I don't think. I don't know if it's worth noting -- its not really important, but it'd be OK to slip it I guess. Herostratus (talk) 03:31, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

German Peace Terms

The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and its massive concessions were the result of the majority of the Bolsheviks seeking to stall negotiations as long as possible in their hopes of causing similar uprisings in Germany, Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria and the Ottoman Empire (Lenin wanting to have sued for the initial peace). The Germans initially more or less to make the front lines the new frontier of their dependent states "The Germans demanded the "independence" of Poland and Lithuania, which they already occupied" and later more or less agreed to the Bolshevik peace proposal "Over Christmas of 1917, the Central Powers released a declaration stating that they were in favor of the separate peace with all the Allies without indemnities and without annexations provided the peace was immediate and all belligerents took part in the negotiations." (Both quotations from the Brest-Litovsk page) After growing irritated with blocking all peace proposals, the Germans voided the ceasefire and subsequently occupied Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltics to force the Bolsheviks to sew for peace or be overthrown.

So the statement "Some also feared that Germany would demand enormous territorial concessions as the price for peace (which indeed happened in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk)." would not be correct as that was not the initial German aim at Brest-Litovsk and as such I am deleting that passage. Prussia1231 (talk) 19:32, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Did Kerensky marry Tritton twice?

"In 1939, Kerensky married the former Australian journalist Lydia "Nell" Tritton.[6] When Germany occupied France in 1940, they emigrated to the United States. Tritton and Kerensky married at Martins Creek, Pennsylvania."

They married in 1939 when Kerensky and Tritton were, presumably, still in Europe. Did they marry again after 1940 when they were in America?75.157.135.57 (talk) 16:58, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have clarified this. They married in the US, but made their home in Paris, until they fled in 1940.--Jack Upland (talk) 05:27, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Gregorian vs Julian

On Russian history related articles this becomes a blur. I would suggest to either use only the Julian Calendar in an article as this, but with (Gregorian date) in parenthesis - or the opposite. And in any event, not to use both. Am not certain, but wasn't Rasputin killed on Russian New Year's Evening (Julian date 31 December 1916) ? Boeing720 (talk) 22:53, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish ancestry?

Was Kerensky entirely an ethnic Russian? Or did he have Jewish ancestry from his mother's side of the family? His mother's maiden surname was Adler, a common surname among Jews. 2601:8C:4500:4680:B506:1561:55AC:63F3 (talk) 02:04, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kerensky is ethnically Russian and "Adler" is actually German surname that has nothing to do with Jewish surnames in Yiddish, which obviously speaks of his mother's partially German ancestry. 109.254.254.152 (talk) 03:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

multi-stage migration

The multi-stage migration should mostly be just destination. Once he emigrates he is no longer really white Russian.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:53, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The categories do not exist. Mellk (talk) 16:59, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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